“Enable external traffic device” switches itself off

After a lot of connectivity angst, I now understand the problem.

The “Enable external traffic device” switch switches itself off between uses.

If I check that it’s on just before I connect everything up, it all works. If I don’t, it doesn’t.

Does anyone know what makes it switch off?

Well, no-one else seems to answer questions on here, so I may as well talk to myself, in case it’s helpful to anyone :roll_eyes:

It seems that if you switch on SafeSky at any time when the WiFi is not connected to the traffic device, then the “Enable external traffic device” switch gets turned off until it is next manually turned on.

So, for example, if your phone connects to a nearby WiFi, or if you just want to look at traffic on the Internet, or if you switch things on in the wrong sequence, the SafeSky functionality turns off without alerting you.

Hi @Timothy,

Thank you for your detailed feedback and for sharing your experience with SafeSky and SkyEcho2 integration.

First, I want to clarify that the behavior you are experiencing is not a bug but an intentional feature. SafeSky automatically disables the “Use external traffic device” option when it cannot communicate with SkyEcho2. This design is in place to ensure that, if you are flying without SkyEcho, the application can still function correctly.

We will evaluate what we can do to improve this, especially for users who sometimes fly with SkyEcho and sometimes without.

In the meantime, please ensure you connect to the SkyEcho2 WiFi before starting SafeSky to avoid these issues. If SkyEcho2 is not available, it must be disabled for SafeSky to work correctly with other applications like SkyDemon.

Thank you again for your feedback.

Thank you for your response.

I think that you are slightly missing the point. I always fly with SkyEcho2 running, but there are circumstances when SafeSky is running, but unable to see it. For example if used on the ground to look at traffic, or if the iPhone changes Wi-Fi to a nearby hotspot, as sometimes happens.

My suggestion in my email to you, which prompted this response, was that you should change the functionality of the switch to “Enable external traffic device when available”. That would mean that a momentary break in service would not permanently disable the external device, which would be much more user-friendly.

That happened to me yesterday when I was going to fly. I connected SkyEcho via wifi and then started SafeSky and I noticed that the " connect external device " button was off. I now know I have always have to check this button for each flight when using SkyEcho ( always do)

Hi,

If you 'are using SafeSky without an external device, and if this button is ON. SafeSKy doesn’t work.
Due to a lot of complains regarding pilots who have switched this button ON without external device (despite of the warning messages), we decided to with this button OFF if an external device is not linked with SafeSky.

It means that if you are switch on SafeSky before SkyEcho, the button is OFF automatically.

I know that this is perhaps annoying, but you don’t have any ideas of the time we spent just to support the ignorance of this feature.

We are looking at a better solution to enhance this .

Best regards,

Did anything happen with this feature?

I really appreciate SafeSky and like nearly everything about it, but this issue is a real pain, meaning that I have do quite a few extra keystrokes every time I am preparing to fly (which I do a lot, about 350 sectors a year) and this connectivity thing is really annoying.

I don’t understand all the situations which cause disconnection, but I would say that it happens 95% of flights.

Please tell me that you are working on it. It’s gone very quiet since we last discussed it.

You may be aware that I produce videos on IFR topics. These get widely distributed to flight schools, forums, FB pages etc, so I do like to check that they are accurate.

I also post them on my own YT Channel.

My next video is about EC and I include the following about SafeSky. Please check it for accuracy and fairness.

The other way is to use a system which integrates and rebroadcasts all the sources.

To some extent this is achieved by products like the better known FlightRadar24 and the altogether better (in my opinion) PlaneFinder, but they require a fairly beefy internet connection and not integrated into our cockpits.

PilotAware’s Atom Grid rebroadcasts ADS-B, FLARM, Mode C/S and FANET, but is only available on PilotAware devices.

OGN integrates ADS-B and FLARM, but is generally only used by the gliding community.

If you are not a PilotAware user, the best integration is from SafeSky. SafeSky captures ADS-B, FLARM, FANET, PilotAware and Mode S transponders. Its Mode S capture is somewhat limited and you can sometimes see aircraft with Mode S but no ADS-B pop in and out of view, and it cannot see Mode A at all, but one way and another it sees most stuff.

Its advantage is that it seems to work on the weakest mobile internet connection, even one bar of EDGE, which means that it works airborne when other systems don’t, but it still can only be relied on at low level and over land.

SafeSky integrates directly with moving maps, such as SkyDemon, Foreflight and Garmin Pilot using the GDL 90 interface such that the traffic it picks up is displayed on the moving map, but in that configuration you will see no traffic when you have no internet connection. To do that you have to use an intermediary device such as PilotAware or SkyEcho, and that entails connecting from SafeSky to the ADS-B device and then to the moving map which creates a world of flakiness as everything has to be set up just right and it has no resilience to any temporary break in the chain. There is a cumbersome preflight sequence every flight.